Unlocking Home Safety: Tips from Chief Carlos Jasso

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Welcome, everybody, to another episode of thoughts from the crawlspace.

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Today we have a figure that really meets all the criteria for what we want on this podcast.

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We want inspirational figures.

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We want insight into overcoming obstacles.

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We want people that can inspire us.

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We want people that can give us tips on being safe homeowners and things like that.

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Today we have Chief Carlos Giasso from the Shipshewana Police department who is going to be here to share his incredible story.

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He's not going to be here.

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He is here to share his incredible story and.

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And just give you some tips on how to protect your home, how to protect yourself, how to maybe set up your home when you're gone so it's not as likely to be a target and things like that.

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So, first of all, chief, thanks for coming in today and taking time out of your busy schedule.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:01:14

Well, thank you for having me.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:01:15

I appreciate it.

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Yeah, you're very welcome.

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I've looked in your bio a little bit, and things didn't necessarily start off easy for you in life, but that's kind of led you to where you're at today.

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So just give us a little insight into your background, where you came from, and kind of what shaped you into becoming a police officer.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:01:33

Okay.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:01:33

Definitely not an easy start, I would say, but I'm definitely grateful that things happened the way they did.

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Obviously, there's always.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:01:43

There's a plan for each of us, and my plan seems to have worked out for me very well.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:01:50

So I was born in Mexico City, which is one thing that when people ask me where I'm from, they think about my background originally, where are you from?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:02:06

From Lagrange or Shipshawana.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:02:08

So, yes, I was born in Mexico City, grew up there, attended school when I was younger at a private school, which is completely different than my experience after that.

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And back then, I believe Mexico City was one of the largest cities in the world.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:02:28

The third largest, I want to say.

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That's what I was thinking while you were talking.

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That's one of the largest.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:02:33

Yes.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:02:33

So my experience living in the states, definitely, I can see differences from my childhood growing up there and then living in the states.

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So I grew up in Mexico City.

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I want to say, if I remember correctly, we lived somewhere in the northern part that's what I remember.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:02:57

Just to recap on that real quick, I was the product of a violent family, obviously.

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My dad was very an aggressive person.

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And I really, truly believe that that's what drove me to law enforcement.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:03:17

That, along with other minor pushes in life, throughout life and experiences.

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But growing up in a violent home, it showed me what I did not want to become.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:03:28

For sure.

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At a young age, I remember moving around.

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My mom was.

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She's an excellent, very strong woman, excellent person.

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And I believe she saw what was coming if we stayed with my dad.

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So it was important for her to get us out of that life.

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So after moving around the city, she made the decision to move to the states that we needed to relocate and move.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:04:01

So we ended up moving to the states where we had relatives who have lived here all over, really, and stayed with them for some time before she made a home for us.

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Wow.

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Well, that sounds unlike a lot of childhoods out there.

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I mean, here you are moving around one of the largest cities in the world, trying to avoid violent tendencies from your father.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:04:29

Yes.

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So you go from one of the largest cities in the world and you end up settling in Shipshewana, which is one of the smallest populated cities around.

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I guess you couldn't call it a city.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:04:42

Yeah, a little town.

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But eventually, yes.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:04:46

So originally we lived in Lagrange.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:04:48

Originally.

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And not much bigger.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:04:51

No, not much bigger.

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But it was definitely a change.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:04:58

Leaving everything, everyone who I knew behind just for an opportunity to be happy, to be, I guess, in peace.

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Yeah.

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So you left everything you knew, you left a huge city to come to a small town, and you left a warm climate to come to, not a warm climate.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:05:26

Yes.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:05:27

You could say as a child, I never.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:05:29

I never knew all those things.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:05:30

It was all presented to me when we arrived and we were greeted at the airport by family members who had lived here before, you know, and definitely seeing snow for the first time.

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That was awesome.

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That was great.

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I'm like, what is this?

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This is great.

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I've seen it on tv, but never really experienced it, so.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:05:51

But yeah, I think that that part of my life, my childhood, I give a lot of credit to that because of the.

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That has made me.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:06:05

I feel that has made me the person who I am today.

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Yeah, well, I love your outlook on that.

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We talked before we went on air, that you made the conscious decision you did not want to be like that.

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Like your father was.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:06:18

That's correct.

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And so, so many times we see generational patterns where they follow each other and they keep.

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They keep going that way.

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And so that's an, that's just an incredible accomplishment to make that conscious decision.

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You don't want to be like that.

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So eventually that led you to IUSB, where you took some.

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You majored in criminal justice or something like that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:06:41

Right.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:06:42

So I attended Lakeland High School.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:06:43

I graduated from there.

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And I remember having the interest in law enforcement back then through shows, old shows that I don't think they're around anymore unless you find special channels.

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But through watching, there was a show called Rescue 911 and also stories of the highway, California Highway Patrol, and a lot of those were reenactments.

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There weren't many videos like there are today in car videos or body cameras.

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So after graduated from there, I didn't immediately go to college.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:07:17

I took some time off.

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But then, yes, I attended IUSB, and I went into criminal justice.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:07:22

Like a police officer, someone aspiring to be a police officer would do.

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Yeah, well, that's funny that.

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Some of those shows you mentioned.

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I remember some of those, yes.

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And I think my favorite is Andy Griffith show.

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That wasn't part of it, was it?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:07:38

I remember watching that, too.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:07:40

Yes.

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That didn't want them.

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It didn't make me want to be a police officer.

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But it was very entertaining.

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But it was great.

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It was so funny.

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I loved it.

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And for some reason, those old shows always had something to teach, something that you.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:07:53

Something good that you got out of those.

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I remember that exactly.

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Yeah, no doubt.

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So I was reading through bio, some of the things that you have been instructed in overall, I guess first we should start.

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When did you join the police department?

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In Shipshewana.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:08:09

So this happened while I was still going to college.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:08:13

I joined the Shipshewana police department.

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Reserve unit.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:08:18

And what that is, is that volunteers who qualify to be police officers, but they are not paid.

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So it's a unit that most people who would join that are people who are interested in law enforcement, they would like to see what it's like before they make the decision to do it full time, or people who have experience and volunteer to help their community.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:08:40

So in my case, it was great because I got the opportunity to go to school, learn theory, but also come back in working as part of the reserve department to get practical application of it.

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So I loved it.

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It was great.

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It was like double dipping and learning.

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It was great.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:09:01

That made me realize that this was something I wanted to do in the future, you know, back then, thinking.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:09:07

So I joined back in: 2002

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:09:10

That's when I joined the reserve department.

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Okay.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:09:13

My intention was to attend the Indiana State Police Academy.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:09:17

That's what I wanted to do.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:09:19

So I thought that while I learned being a reserve officer and while I was in college, I would get some experience to do that.

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Yeah.

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Awesome.

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So throughout the years, you have let me put my glasses on so I can read some of this, but.

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And just touch a little bit on these and what this means.

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What kind of, you know.

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Well, these certifications have krav maga.

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Oh, Krav Maga and close quarter combat.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:09:47

Yes.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:09:48

So once I attended the.

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The academy, I graduated.

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It was in: 2004

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:09:55

I actually went to a class to become an instructor, an Indiana law enforcement academy instructor, so I could certify officers.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:10:03

Well, there are certain skills that you have to.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:10:06

That you can become a trainer on or instructor.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:10:09

So psychomotor skills where you can teach physical tactics, which.

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That's where the Krav Maga falls into.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:10:15

You can become a firearms instructor or an emergency vehicle instructor.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:10:19

All those three are the major ones.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:10:22

So what I decided to do was go into physical tactics, defensive tactics.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:10:27

So Krav Maga is one of the second schools that I went to or went through to be able to teach that martial art, close quarter combat.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:10:37

It's very basic stuff that police officers can learn and teach for self defense and to be able to effect arrest.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:10:45

So that's one thing I did.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:10:47

I received certifications in that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:10:51

I believe I was the only one at that time, during that period of time that had the certifications to train our police officers in that.

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So nice.

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You also mentioned, and you shared a story that you wouldn't mind sharing again, you were a k nine officer.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:07

Yes.

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So I don't know if that's what it's called.

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The officer.

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Is that the actual dog, the canine officer, or is that the handler?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:14

Yeah.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:15

So it would be a k nine handler.

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Okay.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:16

Most people will say, oh, are you a canine officer?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:19

And yes, the truth is, yes.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:20

So canine would be the title for the police police dog.

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Yeah.

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So you've done that a few times, actually.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:25

Yeah.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:25

So I got the opportunity to attend the police canine academy in Allen county with my first dog.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:33

Now, if you don't know this, police dogs are or dogs that are going to be used in police work, they come from overseas.

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Oh, I did not.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:42

So they are not bred in the states.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:44

There's not many breeders that do that, and the reason why they do that is because they want to keep the bloodline as pure as possible.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:52

So my first dog, his name was Xander, and he was what we call in police work a green dog.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:11:59

He wasn't trained.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:12:01

He had some experience with biting, which dogs do, but what I mean is in an aggressive manner.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:12:08

So he was introduced to, okay, this is a bite sleeve.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:12:13

But there was no control.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:12:14

There was no training to control the dog, to control that, when to tell the dog when to buy or when not to.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:12:19

So you get a green dog.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:12:21

And I was actually very fortunate to go through the police canine academy in Allen county with the first group of state troopers to go through for the state police to get police work all around police dogs, meaning that they do everything they do human traffic or tracking, not trafficking, human.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:12:39

Human tracking.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:12:40

They will do evidence search, aggression control, which that's the important part of it.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:12:47

You can teach a dog how to bite and what to do when they bite, but you also have to be able to control them and tell them when to let go.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:12:53

Right.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:12:54

So they're an all around police dog.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:12:57

So it was really awesome because I went through that school with troopers for the first time, the state police was doing having police canines that way.

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Nice.

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Yeah, well, I think a lot of people see tv shows and they see how they react, but it's nice to meet someone that's actually worked with them and knows the ins and outs of dogs.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:13:19

Yes.

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Of the canine dogs.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:13:21

And it took me a while.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:13:22

I was learning along with the dog as well.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:13:24

My first time going through this, I had to learn.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:13:27

We actually went through two full weeks of classroom before we even, we received the dogs.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:13:34

I want to say for the first five weeks, once we got the dogs, we didn't get to take them home.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:13:40

They had to stay at a kennel in Allen county because, and this happens to most canine handlers going through the program, a lot of times those dogs, your own dog will bite you because they haven't taken on you.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:13:55

They haven't accepted you as the alpha.

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But yes, and they're awesome, amazing, very intelligent dogs, especially german shepherds.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:14:07

And as I mentioned earlier, they are like kids.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:14:11

They like to, they do a lot of things like two or three year old kids, and they definitely like to push the line so well.

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And you had mentioned off air about one that you were training in the winter and it was eight below or something, and the dogs jumped out and jumped right back in the car.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:14:28

Yes.

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He was like, not today.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:14:30

So on that occasion, it was very funny, and it was the first time that I really had the question marks hovering over my head.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:14:38

So the dogs have a kennel in the back of the police vehicle where they have plenty of room.

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So that morning, we had training.

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We had to track.

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Someone had already walked through that path, leaving their scent behind for us to train, for us to track, for the dog to be able to get the scent.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:14:55

So that morning, it was so frigid.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:14:58

I remember that I was cold.

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And when it was time to start tracking, I had my master trainer with me.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:09

I got the dog out, so I got him.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:10

I'm like, all right, come on.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:12

He jumped out of the back and immediately he gave me that look like, I don't want to do this.

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And he jumped right back in.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:20

He didn't want to do it.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:21

So I looked at my canine master instructor and I was like, okay, what do I do?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:27

And he was like, well, you have to make him.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:29

He's like, he doesn't want to do it.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:30

It's too cold.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:31

You have to make them.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:32

So same thing.

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I'm like, come on, you got a track, let's go.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:35

He jumped outside and almost went back in again immediately.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:40

But I stayed on him and I was like, nope, track.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:42

Track.

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And I walked probably, I don't know, 100ft before he finally put his nose down and said, fine, I give up.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:50

I'm doing it.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:51

And he did.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:51

He did great.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:53

But it was one of those things where I immediately realized, yes, they are like humans.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:15:59

And there are times, yeah, sometimes they don't want to do something, but if you stay on them, they finally like, okay, fine, I'll do what you're asking me to do.

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That's funny.

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So you became a corporal in zero six and a canine handler.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:16:14

Yeah.

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were promoted to sergeant in: 2008

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Then: 2021

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And so some of your other certifications are the vehicle crash investigator.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:16:34

Yes.

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Less lethal instructor, a computer voice stress analysts analyst.

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And you also mentioned also the emergency response team.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:16:46

Yes.

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For Lagrange county.

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And the Rad instructor, which is self defense for women.

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So talk about that just a little bit.

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Yeah, what that is.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:16:54

So I've been an instructor for Rad for a while.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:16:57

And what that is is basically self defense for women.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:17:01

We teach that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:17:03

We assist the Westview Police Department at the Westview High School every year, teaching young girls.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:17:10

Normally it's freshmen, 9th grade, but I believe this year we're actually teaching the 8th graders.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:17:18

Since we were a large amish community, a lot of those girls leave school by, that's their last year, 8th grade.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:17:25

So we're trying to get to them before they're done with school, which I believe is going to be very helpful.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:17:33

It's a great idea.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:17:34

So that is a program that, where we teach basic self defense techniques, but also we educate a lot of the prevention because that's one of the things that most people don't think about.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:17:48

I've been asked before, so what do I do in this situation?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:17:52

And usually my response is, well, you're looking at it wrong.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:17:55

You're looking at it like, okay, things already happened, I'm in it.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:17:59

We should be looking at things way before that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:01

How do I prevent getting in, being in that situation?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:05

That's.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:05

That's better.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:06

Definitely.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:07

You.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:07

You have time for that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:08

You.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:09

You can allow, if you prepare that way and think ahead, then you're not in that situation.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:14

Then you don't have to think about that situation.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:17

Obviously, there.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:17

There's situations that you can't avoid.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:20

Things are gonna happen, people will do things.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:23

So then at that point, that's where your response comes in as far as the self defense.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:27

But we do talk about things like, okay, preparing for leaving the house, preparing for your return at home.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:36

If you're returning late at night when it's going to be dark, what do you carry with you?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:40

How do you walk?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:41

What do you do if you suspect someone's following you?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:45

Things of that nature.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:18:46

So I think more than anything, it boils down to being aware of your situational awareness, being aware of where you're at and everything around you.

Host: 00:18:56

And one reason I bring that up is because this podcast goes to a lot of real estate agents and real estate agents, I'd say the bulk of them are ladies.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:19:06

Yes.

Host: 00:19:06

And many times they're alone, they're with a.

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But, you know, someone is trying to buy a house, so they're showing them houses could be in remote locations and so forth.

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And so we teach a lot of safety regarding that.

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And so that's essentially what you're saying is, let's prepare ahead of time so we don't get in situations where it's life or death or, you know, or some kind of violent attack like that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:19:30

That's correct.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:19:31

I think definitely preparation is better.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:19:37

And one thing that I like about preparation is that once you've thought about something or you have a plan, you don't think about it in the process all over again because you've thought about it.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:19:47

It's already.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:19:48

You've created that mental path.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:19:49

Well, this is what I'm gonna do if this happens, right?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:19:52

Or let's just say simply leaving the house.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:19:55

You leave early in the morning, making sure your vehicle, if you don't have a garage that your vehicle is visible, that there's lighted.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:03

Maybe you have a post light outside that should be turned on when you return home.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:08

Do you have automatic lights that will turn on automatically as soon as it's dark enough or at a preset time?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:15

The curtains.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:16

Curtains in the house, should you have those open?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:18

Should you have them closed if you're returning home, if you have the light on, just paying attention to those things, you're going to be able to see.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:26

Okay.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:27

Well, the house looks, everything looks normal.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:29

It looks like I left it.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:31

But then you're not surprised by dark areas thinking about those things ahead of time.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:36

Like, okay, if I came home, if somebody wanted to sneak up on me, could they do it?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:41

Where could they do it?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:42

What areas am I concerned about?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:45

Just thinking about things like that will definitely put you ahead of the game.

Host: 00:20:50

Evil loves darkness.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:52

It does.

Host: 00:20:53

So get that light in more than one way.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:56

Nowadays.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:20:58

Everything is so much accessible.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:21:01

Cameras, automatic lights, anything like that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:21:05

It's so easy to get that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:21:08

And they're not very expensive, but they do make a big difference.

Host: 00:21:12

Yeah.

Host: 00:21:12

Yeah.

Host: 00:21:13

No one likes to be detected.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:21:15

Yeah.

Host: 00:21:15

Ironically, when they're doing things.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:21:17

I know, isn't it crazy?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:21:18

I immediately think of cockroaches when you turn the light on and they all scatter.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:21:22

That's what makes me what I think of when I think about automatic lights.

Host: 00:21:27

Well, criminals, period.

Host: 00:21:30

Yeah.

Host: 00:21:33

Like, why would you do that?

Host: 00:21:35

Briefly, let's touch on life here in Shipshewana.

Host: 00:21:39

What are some of the biggest challenges that you find leading your force in a town of 850 but that swells to thousands on particular days?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:21:50

Yes, definitely the numbers that we get.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:21:55

We're such a small town.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:21:56

And when I say such a small town, man, I don't know if we're even 2 sq mi of the size of our town with only 850 some residents, actual residents.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:22:08

When our numbers are showing that we have, on average, when we have flea market days, up to 15,000 visitors a day, with that, we have so many events in shows and venues.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:22:25

For artists to come for concerts is just planning.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:22:31

There's a lot of planning on what I do, and using the resources that we have is definitely challenging to be able to say, okay, so what are we doing this week?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:22:40

What major events do we have?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:22:42

How do we prepare for that?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:22:43

Do we have what we need?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:22:46

Yes, we're a small town, but we have big city problems, I'd say.

Host: 00:22:49

Well, I remember back to the Andy Griffith days.

Host: 00:22:53

They would deputize people when they needed extra help.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:22:56

Yes, just sign us up.

Host: 00:22:59

No kidding.

Host: 00:23:00

Of course.

Host: 00:23:01

But let's talk a little bit about homeowners.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:23:06

Yes.

Host: 00:23:08

Maybe you're gone a lot.

Host: 00:23:09

You work a lot.

Host: 00:23:10

You're, you know, coming up.

Host: 00:23:12

Our hours are getting kind of.

Host: 00:23:14

Our daylight hours are limited.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:23:15

Yes.

Host: 00:23:16

Right.

Host: 00:23:16

So let's say you leave in the dark, you come home in the dark.

Host: 00:23:19

What are some things a homeowner can do to.

Host: 00:23:23

Well, you already talked a little bit about with rad, what you teach people to do.

Host: 00:23:27

But what are some practical things homeowners in this town, or any town can do to protect themselves in that situation?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:23:34

Okay.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:23:34

So some of the things that come to mind is, first of all, if you were leaving early, right.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:23:39

Making sure that your house is secure, locking the doors.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:23:43

I can tell you that here in Shipshawana.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:23:45

It's an awesome town.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:23:46

I love it.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:23:47

It's great.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:23:50

There's always a sense of security when you're in Shipshewana.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:23:52

You're like, you know, most of us would like to think that nothing ever happens here.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:23:58

Unfortunately, I'm on the side where I get to see everything that happens.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:01

Right.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:02

So there are things that happen.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:05

So we want to prepare.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:06

We want to think.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:07

Well, first line of the fence is going to be your locks.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:10

Door locks.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:10

Okay.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:11

You want to make sure that everything's.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:13

Or the doors are locked.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:14

Windows are locked.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:16

If you don't expect to come back until late, then I would say set up some type of lighting.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:21

The automatic lighting is perfect.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:24

I love it.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:25

I use it.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:26

I actually have one of those assistants at home.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:30

I don't want to say the name because if I say it and someone's listening to this, it's going to turn all their lights on.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:36

But you can set those things to be automatic.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:39

Mine, as soon as it detects that it's dark enough, all the lights outside the house come on.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:44

And even my living room.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:45

Okay.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:46

It's a good way to maybe deter people who might be thinking about us doing something, because, hey, it looks like somebody's home, right?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:54

Sometimes I do that with music.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:24:57

I'll have the music turn on for my pets so that you can hear that someone's at home.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:04

Right.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:05

So you remove that opportunity of maybe the person who.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:10

By opportunity, just by being there and seeing that there's an opportunity there, maybe you take that away, you know, like, okay, not this house.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:17

Someone's there, or it's too light.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:19

I don't want to be seen.

Host: 00:25:20

So locks, lights and noise.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:23

Yes, definitely would be.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:28

So that would be leaving the house.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:29

Now, if you have a garage.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:32

Obviously, it's.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:34

That's helpful.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:35

You can always come in and go out and close it behind you.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:40

But if you don't, I think a lighted driveway, that would help, because then you can see coming back, you can see everything.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:49

And that's very helpful.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:51

I like to say that we're usually surprised by the things that we don't see.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:56

That's what's going to surprise us.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:57

I mean, things that we're not expecting.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:25:59

So if we can see, the more we can see, the better.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:02

Returning home.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:03

Right.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:03

Returning home.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:04

Then at that point, everything's lighted.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:06

You can see everything.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:08

Your doors, your windows.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:10

I would say that the moment that you see something that doesn't seem right, okay.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:14

I would not go into the house.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:16

I would back up.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:18

And if you see your door's been busted in, it's broken, the locks are broken, a broken window, something out of place, I would contact the police department immediately.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:29

Hey, I think something's going on, because your local police department will come out and check it out for you, make sure that everything's safe.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:36

It could be nothing.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:37

Maybe on the way out, the person forgot to completely close the door or the window, which is fine.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:26:46

I'd rather come out and check it out and find out that nothing happened, then not get a call and have something happen.

Host: 00:26:53

Yeah.

Host: 00:26:54

I think it's easy in a town like this to have us.

Host: 00:26:58

Your senses get dulled a little bit.

Host: 00:27:01

You don't expect things like that.

Host: 00:27:03

I know just from personal.

Host: 00:27:04

When we built our house 20 years ago, the day before our garage doors got installed, somebody broke in, stole every tool I had that was building house with.

Host: 00:27:14

And they did that to the neighbor next door, stole all their appliances one night before they moved in.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:27:19

I do remember that.

Host: 00:27:20

You remember that would have been right when you were here.

Host: 00:27:22

It was around: 2003

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:27:23

Yes, I do remember that.

Host: 00:27:24

And so, you know, that puts you on edge just a little bit.

Host: 00:27:28

But then there's been other times where you forget to close your garage door at night, or you leave your car outside and you left stuff in it and you didn't even lock it, and you come out in the morning and you're like, good thing I live in Shipshawana.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:27:41

Yeah.

Host: 00:27:41

You know, but it's still only takes once.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:27:45

Exactly.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:27:46

And I think with.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:27:47

With everything.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:27:49

And obviously, this is not meant to put everyone on edge, and we should always be looking at every corner.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:27:56

But if you put yourself, if you make yourself work up to the point where, like, you're taking a second look or you're verifying things twice.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:28:04

You know, that puts you ahead of the game.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:28:07

It's not as easy to become a victim of someone who's just waiting for that opportunity.

Host: 00:28:12

So, with regards to self defense, we touched a little on some of the questions I had posed to you.

Host: 00:28:18

What you write is a homeowner if there's an intruder.

Host: 00:28:23

So, worst case, all the things that we just talked about don't work.

Host: 00:28:27

Somebody is bent on doing damage to you or taking something from your house.

Host: 00:28:33

They kick in your front door in the middle of the night, or when you're there alone or with a family.

Host: 00:28:39

What are the inherent rights that we have, especially maybe in Indiana, that we can rely on?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:28:46

Yes.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:28:46

So Indiana does provide a statue for self defense.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:28:50

So in order to protect yourself, I mean, any Indiana resident has the right to defend their home.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:28:58

Okay?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:28:59

Their home.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:28:59

Not only their home, but anything attached to their home.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:02

Their porch, their garage, anything that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:05

Any building that someone might be living in.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:08

So like a dowdy house, something that may not be attached to the building, but it is part of the property if someone's living there, and a vehicle, if it's occupied, then you have the right to defend that as well.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:23

In what Indiana statutes basically states, is that you have the right to protect yourself by any means.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:29

If someone's trying to commit to attack you, if someone's committing a felony against you, a crime, in this case, somebody breaking in.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:39

Right.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:40

Somebody breaking in the middle of the night.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:41

You hear noises, the window breaking.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:44

Yeah.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:45

So obviously, being in Lagrange county, we have many firearm owners in case which.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:51

That would be one of the options.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:53

The one thing that I would say is, if there is time, this is my suggestion, if there is time, call 911.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:29:59

Okay.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:30:00

Obviously, there may be a situation where it takes.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:30:05

It's gonna take us a couple minutes to get where we need to be.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:30:08

Right?

Host: 00:30:08

Right.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:30:08

So you may be your own defense, you may be your own protection at that point.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:30:14

So firearms, they are a viable option.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:30:21

What I would say is definitely be familiar with the firearm, be familiar with the use.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:30:26

There are police departments who put on courses for civilians to learn basics about their.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:30:32

Their firearms.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:30:33

Our police department does that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:30:35

And I believe we're going to be doing that at the start of the next year.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:30:39

So that would be great.

Host: 00:30:41

I know, I love that point you bring up, because the training I've done, when you're in a stress situation, you know, when somebody breaks in and you have to resort to that, your fine motor skills disappear.

Host: 00:30:54

And the only thing that you have is your training.

Host: 00:30:57

You rise to the level of your training and stressful situations.

Host: 00:31:00

So if you have that firearm that you inherited or somebody gave you or you bought and you've never practiced with it, you're better off not even trying.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:31:09

Right.

Host: 00:31:10

I believe in that scenario, get away is the best option, obviously.

Host: 00:31:14

But if you're in that situation, you need to be moderately trained, at least.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:31:19

Yes.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:31:19

Definitely have an understanding of how fire firearms work, how guns work.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:31:27

And I.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:31:30

The other thing I would suggest that I would definitely emphasize is know your target, know who it is that you're using that firearm against.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:31:42

Right.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:31:43

We need to be aware of what's going on, but also take the time to identify who it is.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:31:50

Could it be someone surprising you in the middle of the night?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:31:53

Someone who you maybe didn't expect, a relative, a kid getting up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:31:58

So we have to be very cautious of our target and what's beyond that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:32:04

So definitely, I would suggest anyone who owns firearms that they.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:32:09

If they don't have any experience with them, to take a class, even if you have experience with it, you know, hone in your skills.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:32:17

That's great.

Host: 00:32:18

Yeah.

Host: 00:32:18

I think it's like anything else you want to be good at.

Host: 00:32:21

You need to do it regularly.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:32:23

Yes.

Host: 00:32:23

You know, you could take all kinds of training, and then if you quit for a couple of years, you've.

Host: 00:32:27

That's a skill that you need in a pressure situation.

Host: 00:32:31

So real quick, we're not going to dive too much into every scenario possible, but if someone comes into your house, you get up, you may present a firearm, and they turned around and leave.

Host: 00:32:43

You don't have the right to shoot them in the back.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:32:45

Right.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:32:46

That's.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:32:46

That's a very important.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:32:47

That's a very important point.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:32:49

So since we do have the right to defend ourselves in Indiana, but defending yourself is not chasing down the intruder out of the home, out of the.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:04

Into the yard, out to the street.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:06

That's where I have seen.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:08

Not in our area, but I have read and watched videos of homeowners getting in trouble for that, because at the point that you chase someone who's retreating, that's no longer self defense.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:21

You can't use the defense of self defense at that point because you're actively chasing somebody down.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:29

So the moment that you're no longer.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:31

That threat is no longer against you, then your use of force should cease.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:39

Okay.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:39

Should be at that point, like, okay, he ran out the window.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:42

Perfect.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:43

You should still take precautions.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:45

Stand by, get on the phone.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:48

If you haven't with the police, 911 is the fastest way, obviously, someone's going to pick up that phone.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:54

You know that, right.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:33:55

So 911, there's people who will call, maybe the business line, and that should not be happening.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:03

That's emergency.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:04

Any emergency.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:05

I would say 911.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:06

If you think you have an emergency but you're not sure, I would still call 911.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:12

911 might tell you.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:13

Okay.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:13

Yeah, that's really not an emergency.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:14

So call this number.

Host: 00:34:16

Yeah.

Host: 00:34:16

Your pizza's late.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:17

It's okay.

Host: 00:34:18

It's not an emergency.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:19

Right?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:19

Yes.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:20

I'd rather people call 911 if they believe something's happening to get us there.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:25

I mean, it's gonna take us a little bit to respond, you know, certainly call has to go through dispatch.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:30

Dispatch has to type in all the notes and get us en route.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:34

But definitely as soon as your life is not in jeopardy anymore, then your use of force should subside.

Host: 00:34:43

Yeah, I think there's that instinct, especially in a lot of guys, that I'm gonna protect my home.

Host: 00:34:48

You scared us.

Host: 00:34:48

I'm gonna take care of you.

Host: 00:34:50

But you can't do that or you'll be in trouble.

Host: 00:34:52

You'll end up being the one in jail instead of the person.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:55

Exactly.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:56

Exactly.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:34:56

And that's definitely something we don't want.

Host: 00:34:59

Yeah.

Host: 00:34:59

So the average.

Host: 00:35:01

The stats I've read, the things I've trained with, the average gunfight is within three yards, three shots, and takes about 3 seconds.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:10

Yes.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:10

Very fast.

Host: 00:35:11

Yeah, it's very fast.

Host: 00:35:12

That's why your training has to be.

Host: 00:35:14

I mean, you just rise to your natural, natural level.

Host: 00:35:16

But if that's not happening, they're taking off.

Host: 00:35:19

And I like what you said earlier about the vehicle.

Host: 00:35:21

If you're in it, you can defend yourself, but if someone's breaking into your car out in the driveway, you can't just take a shot at them, right?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:27

Yeah.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:28

Once.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:29

You always got to think about it this way.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:32

Is my life or somebody else's life in danger?

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:35

At this point, if the answer is no, then you're done.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:40

That use of force should stop.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:42

It shouldn't continue even in a vehicle, because we have that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:46

We've seen a rise in road rage.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:50

People are very angry anymore.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:52

They drive fast, and they get into arguments and situations where they will use violence.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:35:59

So if that's no longer a threat, somebody's trying to break it in your car, and you have your kids with you.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:36:04

I mean, if that happened to me, obviously I'm going to have to defend my family.

Host: 00:36:08

Right.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:36:09

But the moment that that person retreats and leaves, okay, then at that point, it's done.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:36:16

You're no longer defending yourself.

Host: 00:36:18

Yeah.

Host: 00:36:18

And so I think the one of the best aspects of a firearm is just deterrence.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:36:23

Yes.

Host: 00:36:23

We hope we, no matter how much training, we never want to have to use it, but it's a great deterrent.

Host: 00:36:28

So touch again on the class that's coming up in the spring, or you're planning on doing the class.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:36:36

We're still in the planning stages.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:36:38

I'm going to have a meeting with some of my officers, who will be the instructors.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:36:41

They are firearm instructors, so I would listen to them.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:36:45

We've had this before.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:36:47

A couple years back, we held two different courses, and so we will advertise it.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:36:53

We'll use the town of Shipshawana's webpage and other venues to put it out there.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:37:01

So there is a fee involved.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:37:04

It's not much, but there is some cost involved in putting these courses together.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:37:09

But it will include some classroom time where we become familiar with their weapons, some of the laws that are in place, which in this case, we would talk about the self defense and using firearms in the functionality of handguns.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:37:23

We've seen everything in those two courses we had.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:37:27

We've seen people who just purchased a firearm and also people who had some experience, and they just wanted to get more, be able to get some trigger time.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:37:37

We will use the range, our range, to get some practice done, and so I think it's very good.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:37:44

The reviews we had were positive, and they gave us some guidance to where we can make the next courses even better.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:37:50

Awesome.

Host: 00:37:53

Well, I really appreciate you coming in today.

Host: 00:37:55

This has been very insightful and helpful, and your story is incredible.

Host: 00:38:00

I love that you've been here 20 years.

Host: 00:38:01

People don't stick around in jobs like that.

Chief Carlos Giasso: 00:38:03

I know it's crazy to think that since my plan was to go to the state police, but I found church wanted to be the place I wanted to be in, so.

Host: 00:38:12

Yeah, well, and you need help.

Host: 00:38:16

If there's someone out there thinking of a career in law enforcement, this is a great place to come.

Host: 00:38:21

I can speak from experience.

Host: 00:38:22

Never been in that field, but it's been a great place to live.

Host: 00:38:26

It's quiet the bulk of the time, and if you don't like the traffic, stay home.

Host: 00:38:32

Don't go out on Tuesday and Wednesday, flea market days.

Host: 00:38:36

But we appreciate everybody listening today.

Host: 00:38:38

Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions regarding any aspect of this training courses, home defense, personal defense, anything like that.

Host: 00:38:48

We can direct you to Carlos in the police force in shipshewana.

Host: 00:38:53

So thanks again, and everybody have a safe day.

Host: 00:38:57

Thank you for listening.

Host: 00:38:58

This week.

Host: 00:38:59

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Host: 00:39:07

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